Hey Larry Hughes, Please Stop Taking So Many Bad Shots

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• 1 Tim // Nov 15, 2007 at 10:48 am

  Recently, Gilbert Arenas has been defending Hughes through his personal blog. Some junk about the offense not being conducive to Larry’s style, some junk about him averaging 22.0 a game in his last year with the Wizards, and some ridiculous junk about how Larry’s poor shooting is the result of poor management from the Cavs’ front office. Any way we can put a link to this blog on his blog? I just though Gilbert would want to see the numbers.

• 2 David // Nov 16, 2007 at 10:51 am

  Larry Hughes may be a nice guy off the court, however… ON the court he is about as useful as a physics book on the short bus…Please Ferry, DO SOMETHING!!!!!

• 3 Mike // Nov 17, 2007 at 10:52 am

  This website is absolutely everything that Cleveland fans are thinking but have not had an open forum to rave about! Even the idea of Hey drew Gooden stop taking so many STUPID shots .com is amazing…he is truly a horrible decision maker. GO INSIDE DREW! THAT DOES NOT MEAN TAKE 16 FOOTERS ALL GAME! Keep going low and getting your points. Back to Larry, I would trade him for Bob Sura and eat 12 of the 13 million we owe him. YOU SUCK LARRY!!

• 4 joey chandler // Nov 19, 2007 at 10:53 am

  If Gilbert Arenas is still so high on Larry Hughes then maybe he can talk Washington into taking Larry Hughes back. Heck, I’d be willing to trade Larry back to Washington for a couple hot cheerleaders and a 12-pack of Budweiser.

• 5 David // Nov 19, 2007 at 10:54 am

  Hughes isn’t even worth Budweiser…We could get a deck of Uno cards, 4 paperclips, and a warm bottle of Mike’s Hard Cranberry Iced Tea if we’re lucky for that waste of a jersey number..

• 6 steve // Dec 25, 2007 at 10:55 am

  keep it up dude, this blog is hilarious

• 7 Dave // Dec 26, 2007 at 10:56 am

  Great site man. All we need is one dedicated to Sasha now. What the hell happened to this team? What happened to Sasha being helpful and the Cavaliers playing defense? What happend to Larry Hughes being helpful? Never was? Good point. Any one besides me wondering how long it would take for a game of horse between Sasha and Larry?

• 8 SuperDave // Dec 31, 2007 at 10:58 am

  This site is great and the blog is just as good. Yes, I too miss the days of Price, Ehlo, Nance, etc. If #$!@$# MJ wasn’t in the league back then we might have had a championship or two.

  I want Hughes to improve for the sake of the team, but it would definitely cut into content for this site. Hmmm….tough decision. Keep up the good work! Go Cavs!

• 9 The Doctor // Dec 31, 2007 at 10:59 am

  One thing that they failed to mention on this site is Larry’s lack of heart and dedication…which I think are at the root of all his woes.

  During the Cavs playoff run in 2006 Larry’s younger brother who was suffering from cardiomyopathy died sadly, but EXPECTEDLY. Larry, who was playing reasonably well at the time, missed 4 or 5 crucial playoff games over the span of a week and a half because of his mourning period. For Christ’s sake, Derek Fisher’s baby daughter was having her eye removed for cancer last year and he only missed 3 quarters!!

  Similarly, Larry missed two games during the Finals citing an injury he had played on the previous several games.

  Larry seems to conveniently develop weird injuries at times he is not playing well and uses them as excuses for his poor play…and then misses extensive action. NO HEART.

  Why doesn’t LeBron call him out? Why aren’t Danny Ferry & Mike Brown held more accountable for signing and mishandling this guy?

  There’s an old saying in the Bible: “To whom much is given, much is expected.” We should all expect much, much more from this $12M-man living his M-TV Cribs lifestyle.

  One potential solution: Bench Larry & Sasha and just play Boobie, Shannon Brown and Eric Snow heavy minutes. At least they all play HARD. At least a very public example will be made of these losers who have gotten rich but dont deliver with their heart and soul on the court.

  P.S. Kudos on a great website. You’re Cavs-fan’s version of Michael Moore. It’s people like you who can actually make a difference in the world.

• 10 J-Mack // Dec 31, 2007 at 10:59 am

  Five years of Larry Whose? Yeah, if LBJ’s not ready to bolt Cleveland after enduring that, I certainly will be.

  There sure better be a “master plan” in place, because if not: Ferry’s signings (due to LBJ’s pressure) will wind up costing Gilbert about $200-million when the value of the franchise is sucked away.

• 11 Dem Bones // Dec 31, 2007 at 11:00 am

  Fool that I am, I vowed that I would tattoo a tear on myself for every game in which - objectively - Larry Hughes played badly, not simply those in which his shot selection stunk like shit. Thus a poor shooting night could be offset by rebounds, great D, etc. For the love of God, my whole effing face is tattoo blue, not to mention my ears, neck, shoulders, chest, back, and legs. I kept my butt white and now I look like some bizarre kind of monkey. With Hughes on his current pace, certainly the backside will be next to go tattoo blue, AND THEN, only my “member” will be unadorned. The great fear, then, is that a tattoo tear will not lend itself to application when said member is flaccid. So to be true to my vows, will I actually have to get a hard-on for Larry Hughes. Say it ain’t so.

• 12 Heatstar32 // Dec 31, 2007 at 11:01 am

  Larry Hughes should go back to Washington for Caron Butler…Your website is the best

• 13 steven // Dec 31, 2007 at 11:02 am

  Guys, I love this website as well but I am really disappointed with the Danny Ferry bashing. Not sure if any of you guys have picked up the book the Franchise yet by Terry Pluto and Brian Windhorst but in it they detail what I think many people have forgotten and that is who was available besides Larry Hughes that summer that we could have gotten???? The answer is no one and when this signing was made I do not think one person in Cleveland thought it was a horrible decision and I would argue that it was a good one at the time. The problem is Larry Hughes has been a bust and now we all sit here and try and put the blame on Danny Ferry?? This is the same Danny Ferry who helped bring the Cavs their only Eastern Conference title when he put this team together. Now you guys are going to say that anyone could put 4 stiffs around LeBron and win a title but you also need to know that Danny Ferry was one of the main reasons we were able to keep Zydrunas around and without him I would venture to say the Cavs would be in a terrible position right now. So while I appreciate the site and how terrible Larry Hughes is playing, at least be knowledgeable about the job Danny Ferry has done with the Cavs. Here is to hoping that Gilbert Arenas stops by in the short term and talks to us.

• 14 Larry Hughes // Jan 2, 2008 at 11:03 am

  Don’t you guys hate it when I pull up for a jumper on a fast break?

  [PS I typed this on my iphone…I’m at the tattoo parlor getting some fresh ink before the next game.]

• 15 David // Jan 3, 2008 at 11:04 am

  I was playing NBA Live 08 on the 360 a couple nights back, when i noticed something odd…

  Everytime a shoot with Hughes in the game, the ball bounces of the back of the rim.

  I called the good people at EA about this glitch, and they (seeming like they have gotten this question before) advised “Thats no glitch” .

• 16 JP // Jan 5, 2008 at 11:05 am

  Let’s not hate on Danny Ferry.
  7 ppg ain’t that bad…heck the way sasha and hughes are playing i’d probably start Ferry. He shoots the ball better than the two.
  And just cuz he averaged 7ppg doesn’t mean he can’t be an NBA GM. Jim Paxson was a great bball player guess how he did? or Isiah Thomas, he really made the knicks a true contender in this league right?

• 17 Ryan V // Jan 5, 2008 at 11:07 am

  BEST. SITE. EVER.

• 18 Sam J // Jan 5, 2008 at 11:08 am

  Larry Hughes was not the only option when we got him. Mr. Ferry failed to land Michael Red from the Bucks or Ray Allen from the SuperSonics. So he had to save face and make any kind of trade because we had all this money at the time. So he settled for Larry F. Hughes - All American defensive player of the year. DEFENSE my AAAAAASSSS. This guy is a total bust and his trade has to go down as one of the worst trades for the cavs. And we thought Shawn Kemp was a bad deal!!!! Ha - im sad to say that LBJ will not take this BS any more and will leave this cursed city. Too bad.

• 19 Sonny Gamer // Jan 6, 2008 at 4:25 am

  Yeah i agree…I like larry…seems like a cool dude..but he cant shoot for shit!….I cant believe a starter can shoot such a worse percentage…..He needs to practise more thats 4 sure…….I mean come on larry…not only for Cavs Fans …but for Bball fans worldwide…get yo shit together… Im from downunder, I dont need to watch u put up bricks when they only show two NBA games a week here..I didnt sign up to Cable for that shit Larry!

• 20 Steven // Jan 6, 2008 at 2:36 pm

  Craig and Sam, you guys make a great point except this is the NBA and not some video game. Go back and look at the deals Michael Redd and Ray Allen got and you would see that there is no way the Cavs could make those kind of offers due to the Larry Bird rules, the same rules that allow the Cavs to offer Lebron the most money. Michael Redd and Ray passed up on coming to the Cavs because they got an extra 20 million dollars from their home teams to stay there. So please stop trying to act like they were available. And the best part about your post Craig is that how easy it is to go in hindsight and mention all the guys we could have gotten who are doing better now. I would love to see the emails you and Sam sent back when we got Larry Hughes and I would be willing to bet any dollar amount they did not read ” Terrible pick up, we got a 22 point score who plays great defense”. I am not defending Larry, his play is terrible and it looks like a bad signing now, but back when the signing was made it was the best player available. Try and stick with the facts and not some ideas you guys made up while sitting at the bar last night.

• 21 Bob Smith // Jan 7, 2008 at 3:12 pm

  Larry, you have shown over the years you do you best off the bench. That’s actaully where you should be for 30 minutes a game. Defensive specailist, no way. I can out play you. A trade couldn’t come to soon.

• 22 SamJ // Jan 7, 2008 at 5:45 pm

  Steven, when the Cavs signed Larry Hughes I can honestly say without any hesitation that I was PISSED to say the least. Not because I predicted that Hughes’s play would be comprabale to the WNBA, but because they Cavs wer enot able to sign a top-notch player who is a pure shooter.

  Larry Hughes signing was nothing more than a desperate move by Ferry to get the best available after all the good ones were gone. Now you can applaud Mr. Ferry for that, I personnaly do not because with all the money he had available to spend he should have gotten an excellent player to compiliment LBJ. Danny was in an idiot-proof situation with a ton of money to spend and the top over all pick in the LBJ draft.

  In all fairness to the Cavs they made it to the Finals last year, but damnit you put LBJ with a bunch of highscoolers in the NBA and they might make it to the finals. What part of “mediocre team” don’t you understand people???? Yes this team is full of no-talent/mediocre players surrounding the best player in the NBA. Larry Hughes is not to be blamed - he did what everyone would do when he signed the deal, but for the love of LBJ Larry please re-nogotiate your filthy contract or stop taking so many bad shot.

• 23 Steven // Jan 7, 2008 at 10:41 pm

  Craig,
  I am pleased to see you cannot even write a decent paragraph without a bunch of insults and little fact. You are correct that the Cavs have a lot of salaries locked up in mostly average players but how long has Danny Ferry been at the helm, all of two years? I love how you guys are all GM’s of the year and would have done so many different things and would not have signed all of these players. Carlos Boozer chose to leave the Cavs and nothing the Cavs said or did was keeping him. I am not sure how you guys continue to just make up facts as if the truth is not out there. While you are busy researching stats on the Cavs roles players why dont you research what you are talking about to see if it makes any sense. The Cavs have the best front court in the league with Lebron, Gooden and Z. Their backcourt is not very good but Gibson was a great second round pick. Damon Jones was never signed to be a savior but when he plays, he hits his three point shots and plays average defense. The signing of Eric Snow was to have a stable point guard who could play defense and would not turn the ball over and Ira Newble was admittedly a terrible signing. I just find it hilarious that you are piling on Danny Ferry because suddenly we have NBA quality GM’s showing up on fan websites??? Z is one of the best centers in the league and it is convenient how you left him out of your little rant. Snow was not signed by Ferry and is an impossible trade. And as another poster said, Jones and Marshall were overpaid, anyone will tell you that but in Cleveland you are going to have to overpay to get guys to come to this town. I enjoyed Sam’s posting because at least he was honest and did his response in decent taste. Glad to see that not all posters have a complete lack of common sense. Keep up the good work Craig and let me know how that GED is coming along.

• 24 Howard // Jan 7, 2008 at 11:33 pm

  sorry steven, but the best front court would be the lakers kobe, lamar, and bynum.
  plus danny ferry has only been there for two years yeah, but he stillc ould of done better.
  you want to see a shitty GM Mitch Kupchak who almost traded kOBE and traded EFFIN Caron Butler for Kwame Brown. And LArry Hughes, dont even get me started.

• 25 Steven // Jan 8, 2008 at 6:45 am

  Cavs 3=
  55 ppg, 19rpg, 10apg, 3bpg, 3stlpg

  Lakers 3=
  52pp6, 19ppg, 9apg, 3bpg, 3stlpg

  I would say they are just about even, but I would rather have the Cavs big 3, but in a few years Bynum will come into his own and will turn the tables possibly.

• 26 David // Jan 9, 2008 at 12:32 pm

  Can we just stick to what is important here???

  Larry Hughes is truly the defininition of awful…

• 27 Steven // Jan 9, 2008 at 8:13 pm

  I actually think Craig’s grammar is the definition of awful and he could actually teach Larry Hughes a thing or two about what it means to truly be that bad at something.

• 28 Joey // Jan 9, 2008 at 8:56 pm

  first things first - hughes was a bust. I think everyone can agree on that.

  but let’s put some numbers out there….

  before signing with the cavs:
  Larry Hughes - 22 pts, 3 stls, 43% FG, 28% 3PT ($12M/year). It is safe to assume that when you sign someone, you would expect similar (if not better) output, especially for young players.

  someone above mentioned a few players that were also available the same year (although as Steven correctly pointed out, we didn’t have a chance with Allen or Redd, the two big free agents that year). But, just for kicks, here are some numbers (rough averages) for the 2+ years since the hughes signing:

  Michael Redd - 25 pts, 1 stl, 45% FG, 38% 3PT ($14M/year)

  Joe Johnson - 22 pts, 1 stl, 45% FG, 35% 3PT ($14M/year)

  Ray Allen - 25 pts, 1.4 stl, 45% FG, 40% 3PT ($16M/year)

  Raja Bell - 12 pts, 0.7 stl, 44% FG, 40% 3PT ($4.5M/year)

  IF larry hughes would have continued to play like he did the year before coming to cleveland, all of these players (excluding Bell) would be making similar money and putting up similar stats. Hughes isn’t the 3 point shooter the others are (although since coming to cleveland he is shooting better, at around 34% for threes).

  Those are the numbers - hughes was definitely a bust, but the signing wasn’t that bad. No GM, unless they can foresee the future, would predict hughes to suck this bad.

• 29 Bill // Jan 10, 2008 at 6:22 am

  Sorry Steven,

  if your talking frontcourt then your not talking Kobe. So i dont think Walton, Bynum and Odom is better then Z, Gooden and Lebron.

  By your definition San An would have the best frontcourt with parker, Ginobli and Duncan.

  now the backcourt with kobe and fisher v anyone we have and Hughes ……thats a no brainer!

• 30 Bill // Jan 10, 2008 at 6:30 am

  i ment sorry howard

• 31 Steven // Jan 10, 2008 at 6:33 am

  Bill,
  I did not say the Lakers 3 was better, some other guy did and I just gave him Kobe Byrant for the sake of argument, but good point none the less.

• 32 Steven // Jan 10, 2008 at 6:40 am

  And as for Craig, I love how another guy comes on this site and makes basically the same argument I made, that Larry Hughes at the time was the best we could do and you suddenly agree??? But now your argument is we signed him for too much money, well if you check the post Joey made you would see that guys with similar stats as Larry had coming off that year are getting similar amounts of cash and yet you seem to think no one else would sign him to that contract?? I love how you suddenly are an NBA source and know that there was not another GM who would have signed him to that amount and even better had the Cavs not signed Larry and gotten some other guy, what are the odds this site isn’t talking about another player who cannot make a shot?? Better yet, Larry Hughes signs with another team and is a 3 time All- Star for the Wolves and everyone is killing Danny Ferry for not making the signing when we had all this cap room. The basic principle is that no one knew what would happen to Larry in 3 years but he did have a lot of potential when signed. Also he was not coming here for less money than Gilbert Arenas because he had already made it known to the NBA that he thought he deserved as much if not more than Arenas, whose team right now is 17-16 without that stud player, not exactly struggling. So just come to terms Craig that the Cavs did what they had to do to get a player that most people except for the NBA scouts Craig and Craig J thought would greatly improve the Cavs chances. Please feel free to ignore me until you master spell check.

• 33 joey // Jan 10, 2008 at 9:22 am

  Hughes didn’t deserve a max contract, but at that time, there were TONS of max contracts being signed by people who did not deserve them. If the cavs didn’t give hughes the money, someone else would have - and at the time, he was the best available. His numbers were trending up for the previous 3 years (points, free throws/game and steals) - you would expect those numbers to continue to go up…but the expected doesn’t alway happen. You’re taking a chance, as with any contract that is signed.

  You must have missed a few names in your list of players making more money (or the same amount) that are worse than hughes. For example (again rough averages):

  Michael Finley ($22M/year) - 10 pts, 41% FG over last 3 years

  Stephon Marbury ($20M/year) - 16pts, 44% FG over last 3 years

  Chris Webber ($19M/year) - out of league, stats not needed

  Steve Francis ($16.5M/year) - out of league, stats not needed

  Ben Wallace ($15.5M/year) - stats are useless, but he’s just as worthless as hughes

  Kenyon Martin ($13M/year) - same as wallace

  Kirk Henrich ($11.2M/year) - 14pts, 42% FG over last 3 years

  Raef LaFrentz - ($12M/year) - 4 pts, 40% FG over last three years

  And, to top it off, the same year hughes was signed: Bobby Simmons, Kwame Brown, Samual Dalembert, Eddie Curry and Antoine Walker all signed for close to $10M/year - $2M/year short of hughes, but still BIG contracts (for average players at best).

  I’m sure there are more, but the point is well made.

  And your Arenas comment - first, they make basically the same amount. Second, bring that up again next year when he’s making $20M/year and sitting on the bench after his 4th knee surgery in 2 years…

• 34 Steven // Jan 10, 2008 at 1:17 pm

  Craig,
  Your terrible posts pretty much sum it all up. You would rather have those guys on your team even though they are all terrible players at the current point in time because they used to be good. That is some pretty smart logic and with that kind of basketball sense I am surprised no one has given you your own team yet. Even better Danny Ferry was National Collegiate Player of the Year so I suppose you liked when the Cavs threw 33 million dollars his way too?? Mark Madsen is any NBA champion as well while we are on the subject of past accomplishments so I suppose we should go out and give him a big contract as well. Larry Hughes was trending upward as Joey correctly pointing out and no one was looking for Larry Hughes to be an All-Star on this team but just to be another potent scorer for the Cavs. While he is not a jump shooter, he was not signed to be. That is why they have Damon Jones and Donyell Marshall who are 3 point spot up shooters. Larry was brought to this team for defense, something Mike Brown demands, and to slash and drive to the hoop. Your posts only prove Craig that you do not watch basketball games and are only concerned with the titles at the end of each player. Z is only a two time All-Star and I would surely take him over Shaq right about now who is a 3 time NBA champion and multiple times over an All Star, but I guess that makes Shaq worth all 20 million he is paid this year eh??

• 35 joey // Jan 10, 2008 at 1:19 pm

  Basically, what you’re saying is that if Larry Hughes WAS (past tense) a rookie of the year, ALL-STAR, all defensive team 18 times, FIBA national world champion, etc etc - then everything would be OK? Just because at ONE point in their career they were good? I supposed if you were a GM, you’d sign MJ next year for $25M/year because he WAS one of the greatest? While you’re at it, bring back Russell and Bird for the same price, they were great at one point too…

  I agree those players were, at one time, good players. But they suck now, and have sucked for the last couple of years. Look at the numbers over the last three years for all of those players - VERY VERY VERY similar to hughes.

  again, EVERYONE AGREES THAT LARRY HUGHES TAKES BAD SHOTS!!!! I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE SINGLE ARGUMENT SAYING THAT LARRY HUGHES TAKES GOOD SHOTS!!!! PLEASE STOP SAYING THAT LIKE IT IS SOME GREAT DISCOVERY!!!!

• 36 Steven // Jan 10, 2008 at 3:03 pm

  It is you that does not have any common sense Craig. You are still making a terrible point by saying it is ok to pay for washed up players because they once had talent and they might possibly reclaim the magic. Larry Hughes may not have been the exact guy that the Cavs were looking for at the time but again at the time here is what one person had to say ”
  It looks as though the Cavs will sign Larry Hughes to play shooting guard. Five years, about 65 to 70 million. I thought I’d take a little statistical look at Hughes, alongside the two players many Cavs fans had hoped for, Ray Allen and Michael Redd:

  Hughes Allen Redd

  age in 2006 27 30 26
  new contract length 5 yrs. 5 yrs. 6 yrs.
  millions per year ≈13.5 ≈16.0 ≈15.5

  2005 O-Rating 110 117 110
  2005 D-Rating 104 112 113
  2005 player win% .691 .657 .418

  career O-Rating 100 113 113
  career D-Rating 105 109 109
  career player win% .367 .623 .616

  Note that the Cavs have reportedly signed Hughes for the exact same amount and length of time they offered to Redd. The table above would seem to reveal Hughes and Redd to be somewhat comparable, in fact, with Redd being a year younger and significantly better on offense, but Hughes being significantly better on defense. Hughes is clearly the best defender of the three. The biggest concern I have about him is that he appears to be a poor offensive contributor who happened to have a good year offensively in 2005 (10 points per 100 above his career average!). Whether or not this change represents a new level of ability or a fluctuation remains to be seen.

  Ray Allen, being the oldest and most expensive, would probably have been the worst signing the Cavs could have made (out of the three). He has had the best career, clearly, but is now likely to fall off a bit.”

  Now people will admit that Ferry was taking somewhat of a gamble but in this situation what was he to do?? Let Larry Hughes pass on and possibly become great for someone else while the Cavs get another Ira Newble and Lebron bolts in two years. This was a signing based more on defense than offense with the hope that Larry would contribute at a better rate than he is currently doing so. Faulting Danny Ferry for making this signing is really judgment based on hindsight not foresight. And if I were Craig I would not respond either considering he has yet to make any sort of intelligent post that anyone on this site would consider news worthy. Keep up the redundant posts my friend.

• 37 brad // Jan 10, 2008 at 6:25 pm

  I am going to side with Craig and start naming reason’s why Ferry has done nothing to qualify as a good GM but will admit his hands are some what tied. The Cavs traded away too many draft picks too many times for players who have done very little (Jiri Welch). Snow was traded for Kevin Ollie (joke, but still a better contract then Snow’s is on the Books) Hughes was a desperation signing when plan A and B decided to stay home for the money. However, players like Derek Fisher last year who wanted to go to a city with a great hospital for his daughter (HELLO??, Clevevland Clinic) and numerous average point gaurds (still upgrades) have gone to much worse teams as well. We however, resign guys like Sasha who is a hell of an athlete with zero passion for basketball. A good GM can spot this. Also, when a team in a crap city plays well and gets to the NBA championship players come there at a discount, check the rosters of Detroit, Dallas, San Antonio, even Pheonix, and Boston who haven’t. Also the Cavs could have stopped Boozer from leaving Cleveland, they instead chose to try and cheat the system and get him on the cheap long term, by letting him out of his 6 figure contract a year early, and signing him to about 3 mil a year less then if they had waited a year and put themselves into a position to sign him to more then anyone else could. But the cat got out of the bag and the team we tricked into getting Sahsa Pavlovic (we talked the Bobcats into taking him in the expansion draft from the Jazz in exchange for a 1st rounder) decided to pay us back in a much bigger way. The Z signing was ok, but who was going to sign him if we didn’t? Plus, how many times do you see good teams, pull off sign and trades and stock up on young talent, which is how you build a championship team, not by signing/trading for average specialists’ who will be over the hill at the end of their contract. Or by having no draft picks. You find a way to get picks, and to work a deal to unload people one at a time. Back to Hughes…he is a slasher, off the ball defender. A good talent evaluator would have seen that and seen he was not what we needed (we already got rid of ricky davis). We were in the market for a dead eye shooter/scorer in Redd and Allen and failed, because they saw the lack of support the cavs had and the money was too much to pass up to come to this. They could have traded others away and gotten something A trade could have been made to get a legit Robin to Lebron’s Batman. No player should be exempt outside LeBron. And you may trade more for less but at least you aren’t taking on contracts in free agency of “the best we could get”. Cavs are the worst team in the league without LBJ so blow this whole thing up, keep a couple of guys, or pay a little luxury tax, eat some contracts like the knicks, whatever. I mean good GM’s get it done some how. Plus they know when the really good players are going to be available and keep from taking on bad contracts, which I HOPE is what he did this off-season. And what is that rating table? WHere is it from what does it prove? Hughes played on a good team with Arenas, Butler, and others while Redd was on a bad team and ALlen I can’t remember, but it wasn’t that good. Plus like I said it’s the TYPE of player he is not what we HOPED we could change him too. He has fallen off because he doesn’t fit this team,. Plus who did we draft with LeBron? Kapono? We let him go in the expansion draft so we could trade a first round pick for…Sasha? What does this team need? What didn’t the NBA champion Heat have coming into games for 15 per and canning important 3’s? And did not the home town James Posey just sign in free agency with another team this year? WHat about the home town Ruben Patterson? Is he playing yet? Get him on a one year contract, let him prove his worth to the world, the Indians do it all the time. Ferry may not be as bad as some think but he for sure has done nothing to qualify that he is any better then the next guy, just a little better then the worst GM’s ever (the former cavs GM’s) **SIDE NOTE: we didn’t just trade Harper for Ferry but Harper AND 3 draft choices (2 first rounders). I think he has an eye for guys like himself, guys who hold out for the trade/money, screw the team that rightfully picked them, and then pack it in once the guaranteed contract is there.

• 38 brad // Jan 10, 2008 at 7:32 pm

  To add I might take all but Raef (present day Danny Ferry) from the list Joey made. Webber proved capable of doing what people thought he could do at his age, just not what he was paid, and the pistons had him at league min. Same as Michael finley playing at league min with the spurs. Both because they were cut from their former teams. Francis is injured, doesn’t count, but still MUCH better then hughes ever was and deserved the contract when signed. Marberry is all about himself, good scorer on bad teams. Ben Wallace you are completely wrong on, but his numbers will decline as his passion declines with playing on a bad team. Kenyon Martin has been ravaged by injuries, but was a phenomonal talent (serious injuries too - not little nagging injuries) And trade me Hinrich for Hughes straight up, all day. He fits MUCH better with the cavs. Not to mention I would gladly have taken on two years of huge wasted contract in Hughes for Three all-star years out of him, a championship, leadership for would be future contributers, like deserved overpaid players get. Not for potential, that’s what draft picks are for. That’s like signing VArejao to $9 mil a year like he wanted. Hopefully the mistakes made were learned from. Bad teams/GM’s overpay for average or above average players in hopes of drawing fans, keeping their jobs, keeping unknowledgeable fans off their backs. Good GM’s stockpile draft picks, stay away from bad signings (even if they go on to play well for a bad team - you don’t see the spurs pistons suns signing jason richardson’s, larry hughes’ etc. and if they miss on a guy he’s gone fast) and get the veteran contributers that fit, signed at below their market value because they want to play for a championship with one of the best players/teams around and when you splurge or trade you get guys you know will be good because you are a good talent evaluator (Boozer, Okur, or billups and hamilton for example) and you sign a good coach who can help you with all of this. Easier said then done, but having one of the top 5 players should make it much easier.

• 39 SamJ // Jan 10, 2008 at 9:13 pm

  I am just so sickened by the fact that our Cavs have the best player in the NBA in LBJ surrounded by a bunch of mediocre players. I can’t help but wonder how many championships a team can have with good players around LBJ. Why can’t we BE that team. These are valuable years being wasted with a lonely LBJ when we can really become a dynasty like the Bulls once were with MJ. What a sad sad sad story this is.

• 40 brad // Jan 11, 2008 at 6:52 am

  And what is all this talk about hughes and 15 points per game. That is history. It’s 9 now. If you play Damon Jones as many minutes as hughes he averages just a little less then that (purely based on stats) and I would argue he would average more. But we can afford to sit Jones because not so much is expected of him. But we would lose 1 steal a night, which nodoubt would be a missed lay-up at the other end. The worst thing that happens to hughes is when he makes a shot early. Because he will take 5 more shots for that game because he will think he is on fire. a 1-5 night ends up being 2-11. Sit him, let the message get across. I am perfectly comfortable letting Shannon Brown go 2-11 and actally progressing in his career. It’s sad when Devin Brown can actually be counted on more often then Larry Hughes. What did Larry do all off season? Talk with Arenas about how good he was back in the day? Lebron stunk at 3 shooting 3 years ago, he practiced because he knew he would be taking more. Hughes should be doing nothing but shooting long jumpers all day everyday IN PRACTICE until he gets it.

• 41 Steven // Jan 11, 2008 at 6:58 am

  I love how you guys all want to rewrite history so that you can make a point on this site. Becuase Brad’s post was so long I can only answer it in chunks but the first point that was absurd is about Carlos Boozer. Boozer was leaving the Cavs no matter what happened. Not only was he a classic example of a guy who “needs to feed his family” he also felt he should be the number one guy on the team. He was offended when the coach at the time Paul Silas wanted to mold him as a guy who could rebound like no one else has while still getting 14 points a game by getting his buckets in the flow of the game. Guys like that are a cancer on teams and while Lebron is not the kind of guy who would publicly trash anyone I would have to believe that intelligence says he was both angry and amused by Carlos leaving the Cavs to go play for the Jazz??? The best part of all of that is that Ferry was not even around for the attempted signing of Boozer and none of the key players in that transaction are either (Paxson, Silas, Gund) and yet you bring it up to show how the franchise is terrible. Here is some news for you too Brad, Sam and Craig, Ted Stephien once sold 5 first round draft picks in a row and cause the NBA to enact a rule specifically made against him which got him booted from the league. I suppose that also has to do with why the Cavs are the NBA runner up from a year ago as well correct??
  You guys are always talking about the Bulls and that Dynasty and how the Cavs have no talent other than Boobie but I challenge you to find me a better front court than Lebron, Z and Gooden. While Gooden may have his mental lapses the guy is almost guaranteed to get you a double double on most nights and Z is also good for close to the same and has a reliable jump shot with range of up to 18 feet. And he is also one of our best free throw shooters at over 80 percent. So do not sit here and complain that the Cavs have not gotten any talent. When talking about the Pippen to Lebron’s Jordan you guys seem to fail to realize that Pippen was a NBA great and prospects like that are just not falling into the laps of 50 win teams. Yes the Spurs seem to have done a better job of signing European talent and you will get no argument out of anyone that they are a model team, but they are not the Cavs. Veterans are still not looking to sign in Cleveland and no one in the NBA is all about playing with Lebron. Those type of players, ie Michael Finley, are few and far between. And that Webber guy you are humping right now, he was on that Pistons team that watched the Cavs beat them last year on the way to Finals so a lot of good he did there eh? I could go on and on about how the Cavs are just that, the Cavs and every guy in the seats is a GM and would have built them into a contender by now and would not have wasted Lebron’s talent and so on and so forth. Well understand that even the Spurs took a long time to gather talent when Tim Duncan came aboard after the departure of David Robinson. And whoever posted about Derek Fisher wanting to move his whole family to Cleveland because of the Clinic is pretty much making things up because it was known he went back to LA to keep his family there where they lived. Keep the made up posts coming and I will answer any other silly posts when I get some more free time. Sam J, Craig and Brad, enjoy your little group you have going on of misused information, its giving me a lot of easy posts.

• 42 Steven // Jan 11, 2008 at 8:55 am

  Brad,
  Keep in mind that no one is arguing that Larry Hughes is a good player but the whole point is that the dollars of the contract and the Danny Ferry is a terrible GM comments really have no factual basis. Of course you guys are going to say you would rather have all these players and their bad contracts because this site would not exist if you didn’t feel that way. But objectively, no one is going to say give me Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis and the Cavs are going to be a better team. Think of team chemistry and as much as I might want to see Damon Jones play more minutes, his trade me attitude is not exactly team building. The contract Larry Hughes received was a standard contract for a guy with his stats and potential at the time. Guys all over the NBA are getting contracts for what they have done lately and what they could do in the future. If that was not the case than contracts would pay you after each season based on your performance. Please use some common sense when making your argument as I think it will be easier to get your point across.

• 43 joey // Jan 11, 2008 at 10:46 am

  while this has been fun and entertaining, it just goes ’round and ’round ’round, and will never stop. I will make a few points and then be done with all Danny Ferry talk:

  Ferry wasn’t given much to work with. He has made two good signing with Pavlovic and Varejao (short contracts, not big money), and his true skills will be displayed next season when he has expiring contracts and cap room to work with. Next year, the following will all be expiring contracts (which are GREAT trade bait): Snow, Marshall, Damon Jones, plus Gooden (whom they might re-sign rather than trade) - for a total of $18M ($25M if you include Gooden). Whether or not Ferry had anything to do with how this is lining up, it IS looking good for next year. If he can make some good moves next year, then the following year will be even better (with Z, Hughes, Varejao and Pavlovic having expiring contracts totaling $36M). If he makes some good moves next year to keep LeBron happy, then things will be good. It takes time to turn a franchise around, and Ferry is on the right track - he just needs to make the right moves.

  Otherwise, Larry Hughes sucks and this site is awesome - we should continue to show our disgust with Hughes regularly until he changes his ways.

  If people feel the same way about Danny Ferry, then make a new website for him.

• 44 Steven // Jan 11, 2008 at 11:38 am

  Terrible would be the Minnesota Timberwolves so I would call the Cavs average. I blame injuries, late signings and terrible guard play as the reason for this bad start. I think that if the Cavs would continue to play defense and make better use of their bench they will continue to improve and should be a 4-5 seed come playoff time. While they may not go back to the Finals this year, they have not fallen as far as say the Heat who after winning it all lost to Chicago in the first round and this year are even worse. So set your expectations a little bit lower, keep on ripping Larry Hughes, and when Danny Ferry puts together a team that bring home the NBA title in the next few seasons just remember you heard it here first. And congrats on you and your friends getting an education, too bad it did not come with spell checker or a punctuation check. Oh wait, this site checks your spelling for you.

• 45 Steven // Jan 11, 2008 at 12:31 pm

  LeBron was injured and on that stretch the Cavs went 1-7 I believe. And just because the coach is a defensive genius does not mean that the team buys into the concept. The cavs just recently started playing good defense and suddenly they are winning ball games. You can point to Larry Hughes but it is the whole Cavs team who needs to get ont he same page and play like a team. You want to blame individuals and this is a team sport. I refuse to say one person is responsible while admitting that Larry Hughes and Sasha have not played up to expectations. And you say now that if the Cavs win a title all would be well and good for the next ten years but winning one means we want to win two and then three and so on. Everyone on this site wants the Cavs to win a title, I just disagree with the blame being put on Danny Ferry. I suppose time will tell on if you or I was right. It has been fun Craig and good luck in future quests. Cheers mate.

• 46 brad // Jan 11, 2008 at 1:28 pm

  My point was good GM’s and teams don’t sign guys out of desperation because they feel they need to sign SOMEONE. When plan A and B fail you don’t give plan C the same money you would give plan B, that’s common sense. As far as his contract is standard, it is standard for teams without a REAL star to sign a guy away from his team, not that of the Cavs caliber. I agree Hughes can contribute to this team, but he needs to play within his strengths, and needs to know what he is, and that is not a spot up shooter and if he wants to be that he needs to work on it in practice first, and the coach and GM need to let him know that. If he was not such a good guy would he get away with this? That is not team play. And How is Mike Brown a defenseive “genius”? It might be his forte but I don’t see the genius proven. Damon Jones’ “trade me” is normal for a guy who is routinely a DNP. How about Hughes get 3 DNP’s coach’s decision every 10 games and see who asks for a trade, but the “Austin Carr Good Guy Award Winner” wouldn’t do that you might say, he’ll just sit and count his cash. And all Ferry has shown me is that he has learned on the job from reaching for players. Not that he is good or bad. But by no means deserves a pass yet. The Cavs aren’t far from being NBA champions, it wouldn’t take much (I think this is what irrates people so much), and the job of adding pieces will fall mainly as a result of LeBron being here. And I would disagree the cavs are average, they are below average at best without LeBron. They have virtually the same team (I would say worse) then when they drafted him, and Z got an all star, Is a good shooter, but is now limited, and gooden is a top 15 PF who benefits greatly from playing with LeBron. And sir, Boozer wasn’t leaving, he had no say in it at the time, and if he was a bad fit then a trade for something would have been a normal teams response. Besides, every player in the NBA wants to be the #1 its what makes them good players. I wasn’t blaming that on Ferry I was ranting, and responding to numerous posts. You may argue ferry is not to blame but has he made any moves to make you say “wow he pulled something special off there”? Absolutely not unless you count not signing Varejao to $9 mil a year something special. I wouldn’t say he is awful, but he hasn’t done anything a qualify as a great GM. He got Bobbie who was projected by some to be our first round pick anyway. He left a bad taste in the mouth of Clevelanders years ago and for that he probably needs to do a little more then the next guy would. and when the Cavs start beating average and bad teams by more then 3 then I will qualify that as good defense.

• 47 brad // Jan 11, 2008 at 4:59 pm

  Ok it is apparent we have some people who differ in opinion, and back and forth isn’t changing their opion on either side. Truthfully I think Ferry will get the job done here if given time (if LeBron stays) because I just don’t see it being so hard. To get back on track with what this site is here for…bashing Larry Hughes, I leave you the following: Larry Hughes is like every child’s favorite cough drop - Luden’s Wild Cherry. They are really nice to have and any person would accept them if they were free or in the sale bin, but respectable parents (GM’s) don’t get them for their children (team’s) when they actually have a cough because they are a fraud and don’t get the job done. They get them for their kids to get them off their back. Add to this, that they cost a lot more then something that is the exact same and costs less - wild cherry life savers (devin brown).

• 48 Ejike Ugboaja // Jan 11, 2008 at 5:29 pm

  My boy Jordan Farmar was selected right after Shannon Brown by the Cavs who so desperately needed a point gaurd who had some offensive game. But JF was off the radar I guess (unlike myself), only the great Mitch Kupchak knew of him. The Cavs did need another body at SG behind Hughes, Sasha, Damon Jones, eventually Gibson and even Snow who was made to gaurd the opposition’s best scorer because the great defender Hughes, who someone so nicely pointed out was signed in large part because of his defense, has to do what…focus on his offensive game at that point in the game?

• 49 Steven // Jan 11, 2008 at 10:15 pm

  Just some food for thought from Brian Windhorst, interesting “Larry Hughes had 16 points and some nice defense. We were all rooting for him to outscore Saint Louis’ 20 points from last night. (SLU is where Larry played for a year). By the way, I asked him before the game about the historic low, he had no idea. Larry is a little aloof when it comes to the media, so create all the websites you want, he doesn’t even know much less care.”

• 50 SamJ // Jan 12, 2008 at 11:32 am

  Steven, you and many other are nothing more than typial Cleveland fans with very low standards and expectations of your teams. People like you make me sick too. I don’t give a rat’s ass about being competetive or making the playoff or improving, I want a freaking championship; and I want many of them. With LBJ on my team, I DEMAND nothing less than championships OK. You on the other hand, try to count your chips to see what you have left - a typical loser fan trying to look at the bright side. There is NO bright side ok. LBJ is surrounded by a bunch of losers and topping the stack is Larry Hughes. So stop trying to make a point here because your points are as horrible as Larry Hughes shots.

• 51 Steven // Jan 13, 2008 at 7:48 am

  Kudos on the comeback SamJ and I am glad you DEMAND a championship. Sounds like you are getting pretty worked up on this site. Do you also DEMAND a winning lottery ticket and DEMAND a Playboy model girlfriend?? First, let it be known that no one is forcing anyone to root for the Cavs and if you are rooting for the Cavs it is only come sense that we all want to see them win a title. Thanks for pointing out the obvious Sam, though I was moved by your speech. Secondly, while you could possibly make the argument that Lebron is the best player in the NBA that does not translate into titles. Kobe Bryant has one exactly 0 titles since Shaq left town and LA is still having trouble finding the right kind of talent. And Phoenix, who we would all admit is loaded with talent still cannot bring one home either. And even if they were in the East it appears that they too could not beat any of the three bigger teams in the west over the years and maybe not even the Piston. And yes the supporting cast is not the best in the NBA but to call Z and Drew Gooden and even Boobie a bunch of loosers is a little over the top. I am glad you do not see any bright side to this team and I appreciate you seeing that I am a fan looking for one but call me crazy if i am just not ready to blow up the whole Cleveland basketball team who just brought Cleveland their first Eastern Conference title. And you are right Sam it’s not a championship but it was a huge step in the right direction considering it has never happened before. So do me a favor and calm down, ease up on the meaningless posts with your DEMANDS and possibly get off this site and bring a lady back to the house. Maybe there you will find a category in life where you my friend could possibly rank just slightly higher than Larry Hughes.

• 52 SamJ // Jan 13, 2008 at 1:23 pm

  Didn’t I tell you that you are a typical fan with a loser mentality who likes to look at the bright side of things!!? Eastern Conference Title” Woopte Doooo… Am I suppoesed to be thrilled with that??? See, that is the mentality I am talking about of fans like you. The “Next Year” outlook that you take comfort in. My DEMANDS do not fall short of what is supposed to happen. Having the best and sickest player in the NBA on a team with a lot of money to spend needs to translate into championship(s) my simple friend. I think you need to crawl back into the hole you came out of and wait till “Next Year”. I on the other hand will sound my opinion on the garbage that I see unfolding before my eyes every night.

  It is pretty amusing how you compare KB to LBJ - hmmm, this definetly and without a doubt shows me that you know very little of how the game of basketball is supposed to be played. I tell you what, while I try to bring a lady back to the house, why don’t you try to bring some intelligence back into your life. One good thing about your last post is your last sentence; however, trying to emulate the way I ended my previous post is no good Mr. simple guy.

• 53 Ejike Ugboaja // Jan 13, 2008 at 3:09 pm

  The Cavaliers aren’t terrible, but blowing this team up aside from LeBron is not such a bad thing either if done properly. Especially with your line of thought for the future. Z doesn’t have many productive years left and neither do any of the pricey role players. Just because this team brought you an Eastern Conference title last year, that doesn’t make them the same talent level. Some guys got better some got older, slower, richer, and lazier. You aren’t going to bring in talent without parting with some of these average young players so many have fallen in love with for some reason. This isn’t EA’s NBA Live, you aren’t going to be able to trade just Marshall Hughes Amon Ones and keep Andy Boobie and Gooden. And if Ferry is shopping all players, then they must not be that good if we aren’t hearing names of solid players being offered in exchange.

  Phoenix isn’t loaded with talent they have a great starting five and very little depth and size, that’s why they lose in the playoffs. Almost every NBA Champion since the early eighties had great big men aside from the Jordan teams but that just shows how much better he was then everyone. The Cavs don’t have that, and there aren’t many out there. Z is nice, but not great. He is too slow on defense and the offense has to grind to a halt to get him in position to score. It also seems apparent that his post scoring and ability to score have dropped a lot in the past years and I’m not just talking scoring average and lack of touches. The offense has no plan aside from give it to Lebron and let him work. Guys have to stand and wait for the shot and get out of the way. Get a plan on offense (that falls on the GM who hires the coach and gets the players) and get guys to fit it so you don’t just sign guys like Hughes who were good some where else but don’t fit this team. Unless the plan was to change Hughes into a style of player he wasn’t.

• 54 Steven // Jan 13, 2008 at 3:29 pm

  Not there is some life back on this site let me work in reverse. First Craig, I already said that none of us would be on this site if we didn’t want our team to win a title. It is common sense, you root for a team and you hope they win a title. That being said, I am just not the kind of person to make DEMANDS. My life is not going to be so consumed by one team that I DEMAND they win everything. It is a great escape from real problems to sit around and discuss how terrible Larry Hughes, Danny Ferry or whoever is but it does not define my day. So I do not understand you and Sam’s posts of demanding things. It just does not make sense to me. Having said that, everyone on this board has made blanket posts about how terrible the Cavs are but I have yet to see anyone come up with a possible solution. Yes the Lakers are near the top of the West and have a good record but they not exactly looking like a team who is going to be winning a title this year or the next for that matter.
  Sam since you are a basketball genius please explain to me my mistake in comparing LBJ to KB? Is it that they play different positions? Is it that one is more a pure shooter/scorer while the other is more a 5 tool guy in the mold of Magic Johnson? The point was that just because you have a lot of talent does not mean that your team is going to win a title. It is a team game. And while the Lakers have won numerous titles in the past since what could be considered one of the best big men to ever play the game left town, so have the titles.
  And lastly, anyone who wants to criticize Z for his play makes me laugh. Let me get this straight, his average is 14 pts and 10 boards this season, which is 1 point below his career average and 2 boards better and you say he is just an average center?? His defense needs some work but it is what it is. Their are not a lot of centers out there they do not have flaws and their are very few center out there today that do not need to get on the block, like you claim Z does, because he has range to hit from up to 20 feet out. Of course this is not NBA live and you need to make realistic trades but why don’t you guys spend some time on the ESPN trade machine and show me some possible moves instead of just saying the Cavs roster needs to change. I am not getting back into defending Ferry, I have wasted too much time on that. Just quit your crying about the team until the season is over. The only thing worse to me than a fan who is optimistic is one who complains every day about a team and yet offers no solutions. Sam and Craig I assume just like to be miserable of course if I spelled like Craig and had the intelligence of either one of those posters I would be pretty unhappy with my life too.

• 55 God // Jan 13, 2008 at 3:35 pm

  I have cursed Cleveland people, give it up. All good free agents get hurt that come to Cleveland or they underachieve. The GM’s make terrible trades, draft awful players more times then not even when the experts thought they would take other players with their picks. I can go on all day. When the Cavs won the Eastern Conference last year you people celebrated like you did something that would be remebered five years from now. You settle for way too little from your sports teams, and then bash each other for not being happy with 2nd, 3rd or sixth place. Other cities don’t tolerate what you tolerate, they are far more critical. I mean even Atlanta doesn’t sell out first round NLDS home games. What other city watches its team come in second and then brings back the same second place team and thinks its fans should expect something more then second. But they obviously have some of you drinking the Kool-Aid and defending them on sites like these, which are supposed to be for bashing them.

• 56 Ejike Ugboaja // Jan 13, 2008 at 4:18 pm

  I said I wasn’t talking scoring average with Z when I said his game slipped. He doen’t have the moves anymore. He has range, but who’s going to get the boards if he’s sitting outside? And there is a serious lack of talent at center in the NBA so Z is good by default at this point in his career. 19 points a game would be in order if he was so great because these inferior centers would be gaurding him, and peeling off him to double Lebron leaving him wide open for his 2 inch vertical layup made after 3 stat padding offfensive rebounds. I like him, think he’s a nice player, but I see him out of the games a lot now, and unable to capitalize on smaller guys which he should be able to at his size. And my point about not being able to make trades with our more talented players is that they must not be so talented if other teams don’t want them. Or they are very limited players who only fit a few teams. All this other debate and patting yourself on the back because you think you made a good point proves nothing to me except that LeBron is a Great Player who can take a last place team (that has increased it’s overall talent very little since he has been there other then his own development) to near the top of the NBA. Very little can be done with the cuffs that are on this team’s wrists, outside of them being able to take major chances through trades of key pieces and being creative. This is where Ferry’s talent needs to show up for his critics to quiet down. I don’t have a genius plan, I’m not a GM but I think where the critics come in is when they see what has been done so far, they say “I can do this, I can do nothing but sit on what I have” right or wrong as it may be. It’s not bad moves for the most part, nor anything special. The worry is LeBron seeing exactly what was here when he came here basically and saying well I can go to Anywhere and have these chances. Because he has no special loyalty to this city just because he’s from down the road. The waiting game for bad contracts to expire may not come fast enough. All that said, I think Ferry makes at least one trade next year, or coaching change if a championship isn’t won. He seemed hesitant this year because they were close, but I think with other good teams getting better he knows something has to be done.

• 57 joey // Jan 14, 2008 at 6:36 am

  When you made a good point, if you have to point it out to everyone by saying it makes sense then it devalues that point and forces others to do the same in response to communicate with you. Thats commen cents. Great site!!

• 58 joey // Jan 14, 2008 at 1:03 pm

  Ejike Ugboaja? Aren’t you the other 2006 2nd round pick of the Cavaliers after Gibson? Is your game developing over there in Nigeria? Are we going to be seeing you in a Cleveland uniform anytime soon, or just making posts trashing your would be teammates? How does this all work? Do the Cavs still control your rights? Are you in the D-League? Can someone fill me in?

• 59 Steven // Jan 14, 2008 at 7:36 pm

  I do not see any deleted posts bro. This is not communism, it is a website. If you cannot take a little bit of crap than get off the site. Just because you and Sam disagree with my thoughts and I disagree with yours, we can all still exist on this site. Besides, I can honestly say that none of us have made any great points, we just all have said what we think about the current state of the Cavs. Some of us think it is doom and gloom and some of us are in a wait and see mode. Lucky for all of us, it is just a sports team and at the end of the day none of it matters.

• 60 Steven // Jan 14, 2008 at 9:43 pm

  Well Craig, patting yourself on the back to make yourself feel better might have worked last time you were in high school where they forgot to teach you the difference between a period and a apostrophe but at least you were paying attention in your history/social studies class so that you could one day make a soap box speech about communism and how it parallels this website. Whether you have a doctorate or a GED it is not really clear to me nor do I care. What is clear to me is that the ignorance by which you present yourself on this site does show you do not know how to use whatever was given to you. But I am not really here to put you, Sam or any other poster down, although it is quite amusing to watch you fight the English language and structure when you type what otherwise would be a pretty impressive comeback. Unfortunately you also fail to understand that when I say none of it matters, what I mean is wether or not Larry Hughes shoots 70% or 7%, sports are just a great way to escape the day. I am glad you show such passion for the Cavs and passionate caring fans make Cleveland a great sports town but unfortunately you are lacking in the knowledgeable department. Besides what ever happened to the, Steven I am ignoring you take it personal comment. Guess you had trouble following through on your own post. I am pretty sure we had someone running the Cavs who resembled the great NBA skills of you and Sam J combined, his name was Ted Stepien, sadly he is no longer running the team, then you guys might actually something to complain about.

• 61 gregg // Jan 14, 2008 at 10:21 pm

  I see a lot of fans rallying on this absurdly awesome site. Then I see one dude, who I have no idea how he got on here, but he continually tries to knock everyone’s points, not by pointing to any factual reasons why they are wrong, but by arguing, and dancing around with attempted put downs with no actual point except that not all of us use proper punctuation, or re-read posts on a simple site. Because most of us, like he tries to portray himself, actually have something to do besides double check our posts for errors (people get the point whether you put your or you’re). Any real business person will value the ability to spell or punctuate far below real skills…like knowledge of theories, history, the ability to sell a product, come up with interesting stories, and so on. If you wanted to check spelling then go be a secretary and write up memos for your boss. Drop the attitude, the irrelevant attempts to attack someone who you know zero about, never will know about and stick to the point at hand. Don’t give me the “he did it first” either. If you were so much better than everyone you would knock it off. Your posts read like you are some penned up geek who never gets to make his point in real social situations, and comes on internet posts knit-picks on things totally irrelevant to the task at hand here on this site, which is to slam Larry Hughes of the present day. Don’t bother wasting your fingertips responding to this because I’m sure I will not revisit this site in 2 hours to read replys, I do have stuff actually to do. Now go be productive and find out what Ejike Ugboaja is actually doing like Joey asked. Oh, and cross off your list for response, my spelling of replies. It was a test for you.

• 62 Steven // Jan 15, 2008 at 9:33 am

  Classic post Craig. Least you are finally starting to get it and cleaning up my grammar and posts may put you on the road to recovery. But then you go and blow it all with a youtube clip of his tats?? Come on Craig, Cleveland is already one of the poorest cities in America, try not to make it the most ignorant as well.

• 63 brad // Jan 15, 2008 at 6:50 pm

  $5 more dollars. $30 ought to be able to get another tear drop tat.
  At least LeBron wasn’t drunk on his 23rd birthday at 2:43 A.M. when he was stopped. I know plenty of 23 year olds who would’ve been at that time of night. I imagine in the kind of car he has it felt like he was going 70.
  Lets go Cavs! Let’s see if there is another 3 point win against the bottom dwellers of the NBA in store tonight. All these close games better pay dividends in the playoffs.
  Off topic, but i wonder how much Daniel Gilbert’s Quiken Loans lost with the credit challenged portfolio they must carry being an online Mortgage company? Especially with all the big name lenders crapping out so bad lately.

  http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/272/RipOff0272034.htm#255610

• 64 brad // Jan 15, 2008 at 7:24 pm

  Cavs on pace to win by 6. A blow out by comparison to recent wins, but the 3rd quarter has yet to start and we know how great they play then. And a solid game for Hughes and especially Z against the defensive force at center Memphis has in Darko Milicic and Gasol, those guys should obviously be able to out muscle Z, and keep him from posting up, right? 1 board at half for Z, come on. It was offensive at that, was it a tip in of his own miss I didn’t see it? It’s all or nothing with him it’s 25 and 12 or 6pt 6 rebs. He needs to show up every night.

  Funny Story: When Ferry was still with the Cavs I worked at a Tavern on the westside while in school and He (Ferry) and other Cavs who lived near used to come in occasionally. Well late at night I was outside for something, probably taking out the trash and there is Z and Vitaly Potapenko letting the air out of the tires on Ferry’s SUV and laughing hysterically.

• 65 brad // Jan 15, 2008 at 7:29 pm

  Z is making me eat my words, and I am happy to do so. Hopefully they realized at half how much a joke it was that he wasn’t seeing more looks against this team. Keep it up.

• 66 Steven // Jan 15, 2008 at 8:33 pm

  Brad that was a pretty sweet story about Ferry, may I borrow that material for my next stand up?? Couple that with the sweet analysis you have just provided us for tonight’s game and maybe a TV career is in order. What is next Mr. Obvious, Lebron James should drive to the basket more when not double teammed? Pass the ball to Boobie Gibson when he is open? This site is becoming very insightful. Craig please pass me over some more clips of Larry Hughes tats so that I can understand why he is shooting so poorly tonight, that has to be it. Common on guys you have to be able to do better than that right? I mean muster up some intelligence and give me something good to read tonight.

• 67 Steven // Jan 15, 2008 at 8:37 pm

  By the way that Danny Ferry second round pick Boobie does not look too bad right about now. And neither does Damon Jones making a few open threes. I would not expect you guys to mention that either because then you would be admitting the Cavs are not as terrible without Larry Hughes on the floor, and one bad signing does not define a GM.

• 68 brad // Jan 15, 2008 at 8:41 pm

  One dead kitten, not bad. 4 points on 2-8 in 23 mins in an OT game…BAD! More of the same please. D. Jones and D. Brown are in there in the crunch, that ought to make you feel good huh Lar?

• 69 Brokeback "Brad" // Jan 15, 2008 at 9:25 pm

  Craig, now that we are finally alone together, I can be completely honest with you. The reason I am on this site and hanging on your every word is because I love you. I am also jealous of Larry Hughes and all his money and his great looks and the fact that I work really hard in life and all I can do is post on this site. Please Craig, be with me, forever.

• 70 brad // Jan 15, 2008 at 11:37 pm

  I guess it’s so obvious to you, but apparently not to the Cavs. And I doubt Boobie has anythng to do with Ferry’s talent evaluating skills. He was supposed to be our first round pick I recall reading in the PD pre-draft, and has no real position. Let’s see where/how he plays minus LeBron (God forbid). He’s a valuable role player, who will probably burn us in free agency with an over inflated view of his worth. Wasn’t that you recently saying D. Jones was a cancer with his “trade me attitude”? Way to jump on that bandwagan for the games he will do this. Quit being such an a-hole and post something insightful yourself, for the first time. I also don’t think anyone said the Cavs are terrible without Hughes, I think they said without LeBron, and you so nicely pointed out they were 1-7 which is terrible. I also wouldn’t consider an OT win against one of the worst teams in the league anything to get excited about. Let’s hear your genius analysis for thursday’s game in San Antonio, let’s hear about Z’s 15 foot J and how Hughes defensive skills are going to slow them down. Tell me about all the not so obvious points like how the one guy you predict might exceed his averages for that night is such a great signing by your daddy Ferry. How about you go and defend The Knicks management and tell their fans how all those guys were good signings and trades because they avg this many points before or no one else was available, let’s see that, explain to them their demise or what you would think is good position for the future. I know it’s hard for you to translate the sarcasm in my posts with out me telling you so but common Steven!

• 71 Steven // Jan 16, 2008 at 10:06 am

  There is no bandwagon jumping, and yes his attitude is selfish still but as long as he is here he mine as well hit some three’s and help the team win. As for Danny Ferry it is pointless arguing because you will not give him the credit he deserves. If his name was Craig you would be all over him and loving every decision he makes. And of course that was me in the post, I did not try and hide it. It was just some minor role playing for the benefit of this site. Brad you summon up your basketball knowledge by comparing the Cavs to the Knicks??? We have one bad contract which only has three years left and are in the playoffs two years in a row and you are calling us the Knicks?? I bet you if you the Knicks had gone to the finals last year their fans would appreciate it and not sit here and cry about the current situation and how they do not have a title yet with Lebron. I mean Danny Ferry is in his third year as GM and made one terrible signing that had a lot of potential and since then has not made any such decisions but all you do is rip him? Look you are not going to get basketball analysis out of me Brad. You are just going to listen to me tell this whole site about how ignorant you are about the Cavs and how you are the worst kind of never happy fan who thinks it really matters what you want the Cavs to do. When someone pays you more than 5 dollars an hour to get off the deep fryer, then come back on this site and tell us how you would run the Cavs. In the meantime stick to admiring, I mean bashing, Larry Hughes while he earns a lot of money for doing nothing. If I was him, I would not improve my shooting either just to make guys like you hate their life a little more. And as a further note, I would be willing to bet you are some washed up basketball player who cannot find his way off the YMCA floor just hoping the Cavs or the D league will call you up so that you can show us all what you would do if someone paid you 13 million dollars. I would be willing to bet you wouldn’t even be able to carry Larry Hughes underwear to the dirty laundry basket. So keep asking if I want fries with my next meal and stop commenting on the Cavs.

• 72 Steven // Jan 16, 2008 at 12:27 pm

  Craig first off I am glad to see the attack are starting to hit home and yes you should take them personal. Quoting True Hoop, which is basically just an insider blog similar to Brian Windhorst, and also happens to be run by a Portland Trailblazers fan, is not something I would consider using as proof that Danny Ferry has not done a good job. Everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it but this whole the sky is falling, Lebron is leaving the city in two years garbage has been written about too often for me to even care to reply. Saying that the points I made earlier on this site are not valid is no more meaningful to me than you trying to defend your own points. In the end we all have points, I used most of mine early on, and none of us will agree on anything other than Larry Hughes is not living up to his contract and has been a huge disappointment. Other than that most of my disappointment comes from the amount of oxygen which is being wasted by you on a daily basis. Someday we may need that extra oxygen, once all the trees have been cut down, and people will look back in history, find this website and realize that Craig, who has yet to provide me with any stats that says the Cavs are doing terrible was allowed to roam the earth and use this oxygen. Find me a team that finished better than the Cavs last year, there is only one, the Spurs. Find me a team that finished better than the Cavs the year before and there would be 4 out of 29. I mean please explain to me what the Cavs are doing that is so wrong, going to the NBA finals?? This season is not even halfway completed and yet you are on this site killing the franchise like they are the Timberwolves or something. Lebron may or may not leave the team and the Cavs may not win a title while he is here, but you get to watch the greatest player in the NBA night in and night out and root for him and yet all you can think to do is spend your time crushing Hughes, Ferry and whatever other member of the Cavs that is not playing as you would like. And Craig if you do not care that I am tearing you up like a hot knife through butter than quit responding to my posts. But if I was getting murdered on this site like you were ,I would be responding trying to defend my intelligence and thoughts. Of course, I know this takes hours out of your day to find a response that might actually make sense and might actually be considered a good post, but what else do you have to do with your life. Maybe check in with Brad when your alarm clock goes off tomorrow morning and see if he needs any help running the register. Otherwise, this bitter old republican will be here crucifying you if you need me. Just call me daddy, son.

• 73 Steven // Jan 16, 2008 at 1:38 pm

  Come on bro if you had any of my information you could use my IP address to get my full name genius. Keep responding to the posts bro. Oh and I watched Ohio State get crushed worse than I am crushing you on this site. No one on this site has come to your defense in quite a long time except for your partner Brad. And just so it is clear I am all for the partnership you two have going on and see no issues with it all. I hope he makes you happy because obviously the Cavs are not doing it for you. If you want to dig deeper and find out more about me try visiting my new site. I will help you link to it. And bro I am old enough to know you are getting taken to the verbal woodshed by a guy twice your age. That is pathetic.

• 74 brad // Jan 16, 2008 at 1:42 pm

  STeve who were you cutting through? I never came on here to take sides, but craig made legit beefs for THIS season to this point. You have defended someone who has proven nothing as a GM Good or Bad, which is being taken as a negative with actual national publications to write for. Learning what not to do again on the job is not really a sign of talent. The cavs have more then one bad contact so there you are wrong. Maybe not all due to Ferry, but it doens’t matter, I mean great GM’s make moves when people think they can’t. Saying stupid garbage like I run a register for a living is laughable because it matters zero. Some people have to earn their way through life and I have run a register in the past while I made my way without my Daddy’s wallet to drop funds into my checking account so I could pay my rent, and would challenge you to show me anything you have accomplished that I would be in awe of. I wish I was still working a deep fryer because this would be even more embarrassing for you because some “fry boy” has left you standing without out a point other then trying to make up slams about a person you don’t know. We are all Cavs fans all enjoy watching them, and would hardly say it’s all bashing. The standard was set pretty high, and will be with argueably one of the best players in the league. And I never compeared the cavs to the knicks, I compared your irrational thought to someone who might try to defend the knicks, when it is clearly not working to anyone who looks at them. You keep saying everyone is saying the cavs are terrible, but no one is. They might be playing poorly as for how they should (which great teams don’t do), and are terrible without LeBron. I guess we should all just be happy with a team on the floor, we aren’t allowed to expect more just because we don’t play for the cavs. We should all just be happy living in our parents’ basements, working for the county and retire making $45,000 a year. How dare we aspire to do more, or expect more from our form of entertainment or our co-workers. We should all bow to our teams words, everything they say or do is right until they are out the door. Quit embarrasing yourself.

• 75 brad // Jan 16, 2008 at 1:48 pm

  I can also lower myself to your level if you like and tell you how little decent pu$$ you probably pull, and I’m the guy who shoves you out of the way in route to the girl you have been staring at all night. Go on steve, now you got something you can work with. How about start challenging people to fight next you douche.

• 76 Ken // Jan 16, 2008 at 1:58 pm

  Steven, Craig, and others,

  I vote that you take this argument to another venue. At this point, it’s become petty and pointless. Let’s not clog up this site with 100 back and forth juvenile attacks. You guys should exchange email addresses and duke it out, no holds barred.

  Nice site btw!

• 77 Steven // Jan 16, 2008 at 2:05 pm

  Ehh Ken, its funny watching Craig and his man get all riled up. And since its a free site I do not mind clogging it up. Gives me something to do in between working. And I would never challenge anyone to fight as I do not believe in it. Sorry to disappoint you Brad cause I know you wanted the chance to wrestle me but you will have to take all your aggression out on Craig later tonight. Go easy on him though, actually no need to I have already loosened him up for you with all my posts today.

• 78 Cownafit // Jan 16, 2008 at 2:05 pm

  hey steven please stop taking so many bad shot dot com.

• 79 Steven // Jan 18, 2008 at 9:15 am

  Last nights game is a perfect example of why this site and the people on it have not a clue about the Cavs. Yes Larry Hughes is not the player we thought he would become when we signed him and we could benefit from another pure shooter on this team, the Cavs went on a huge run without Lebron in the game and Larry Hughes has some intangibles during the game, mainly defense, that helped keep the Cavs intact. Sure it is only one game but as Brian Windhorst points out the Cavs have won 9 of 11 and have beaten both Dallas and the Spurs on the road during this stretch. This further proves what I have been saying all along about the Cavs not being as bad as you guys think and this site is littered with a bunch of whiners who cannot seem to get it. Do your crying if the season ends without a title but in the meantime I will take this team over a lot of other teams in the NBA.

• 80 Mullet Molestor // Jan 18, 2008 at 10:39 am

  It appears everyone is losing sight of the topic at hand… Larry and his tremendous ability to find a shot he likes from anywhere on the court.

  Can we discuss Damon Jones’ mohawk? Its trully magical. Eventhough the look was popular 4 years ago, he makes it look so fresh and contemporary. His snakeskin jacket and episode of “Cribs” are a true testament of what “pure” athletic ability can buy you in the NBA.

  What a Joke. Great site.

• 81 ER // Jan 19, 2008 at 12:28 pm

  Nice site! Just want to know if anyone has compared Hughes’s 2007 & current performance to his performance before his brother’s death. Hate to be a wet blanket, but that could be a factor. I see that one poster doesn’t think it should matter, though…

• 82 Stevens // Jan 20, 2008 at 2:18 pm

  lets not forget that gilbert arenas is one of the oddest athletes in all of professional sports. the guy claims that he only sleeps about 3 or 4 hours a day, unlike his boy larry hughes who seems to be sleeping all day and night. i personally believe that gilbert is as overrated as hughes used to be. when arenas is off, he is worse than larry. yahoo claims that the cavs front office actually called the wizards a couple of weeks ago to see if maybe there was a slight chance that they were interested in re-aquiring larry hughes! i think we can all guess how that conversation went. “How about a deal for Larry Hughes?” says Ferry. “AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASOMANYHAHAHABADSHOTSAHAHAHAHAHASOMANYBADSHOTS” says Wizards brass.

• 83 Kevin // Jan 22, 2008 at 3:25 am

  I started to write a blog today about the Cavs and some ideas I was having including those about Larry Hughes. I just wanted to let you know that I began randomly searching for sites with Larry Hughes and this site was way up there on the list. Great great site and my comments about the subject are at my blog at http://kevinice.blogspot.com

• 84 Mark // Jan 23, 2008 at 10:37 am

  Great site - now we need one called - Hey Mike Brown stop worrying about hurting Larry Hughes Feelings and start Daniel Gibson!

• 85 Snider // Jan 24, 2008 at 12:32 am

  As a basketball fan, fantasy owner, and overall sports fan, I want you to know from the bottom of my heart, you are truly doing great work. There are so many players I would love to walk up to on the street and tell exactly what I think but you have just taken it to a new level. Pure genius and I hope Hughes cries one day from ready all this. Now only if you can do something with Ben Wallace. That freaking guy is TERRIBLEEEEE

• 86 C. Burnham // Jan 27, 2008 at 1:55 pm

  I’m watching the Cavs-Lakers game and here is what the announcer just said “Hughes…dribbling all over the place….takes a wild shot….and misses.”

• 87 Ted // Jan 28, 2008 at 7:19 pm

  Come on you guys, Larry Hughes is not bad. I think he’s a good player. He is a great defender. Don’t Mike Brown mostly focus on the team’s defense.?

• 88 Bill // Jan 30, 2008 at 3:03 pm

  http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy

  I CANT BELIVE HE’S ON THE HOT LIST!

• 89 Jerome // Feb 2, 2008 at 7:47 pm

  bill,

  it is horribly, sadly, pathetically, true.

  he is on the hot list.

  sh*t

  wtf

• 90 Pete // Feb 6, 2008 at 2:30 pm

  1. For any of you out there who actually still think Larry can play defense, YOU ARE MENTALLY RETARDED.

  2. Gilbert Arenas is ass. He has always been mediocre and he hypes himself up so much that stupid ass sports reporters buy into it. And I am personally sick of his SELF MADE nicknames, he’s trash just like his boy.

  3. And last, how funny was it that Drew Gooden hurt himself on the best play he has ever made. It was so good, that his sorry ass couldn’t handle it and now he’s being a puss.

• 91 T-Mack 10 // Feb 9, 2008 at 7:12 am

  u guys r hatas, Larry Hughes don’t suck, he has been doing great on da Cavs. This website SUCKSS!!!

• 92 Jojo from Cocamo // Feb 11, 2008 at 7:17 pm

  Hughes is on point tonight!!! Be Boop boop be boop!!!

• 93 Jojo from Cocamo // Feb 11, 2008 at 7:23 pm

  T-Mack 10 dont ever write on this site again and learn how to speak english you duesch

• 94 Jojo from Cocamo // Feb 11, 2008 at 7:26 pm

  my name is dan rutkowski

• 95 Joe Reinart // Feb 11, 2008 at 7:29 pm

  Lol. I’ll punch your eye like Ira Newble

• 96 Dan P. Rutkowski 440-724-3119 // Feb 11, 2008 at 7:32 pm

  i like the way damon jones wears his new mohawk hehehehhe!!!!

• 97 Joe Reinart // Feb 11, 2008 at 7:33 pm

  My name is Joe Reinart, I live on Webb in Lakewood and my number is (216) 870-7241

• 98 Ryan Nichols // Feb 11, 2008 at 7:34 pm

  Nashville is f–ing awesome!!!

• 99 pras // Feb 11, 2008 at 7:38 pm

  40 points.. wow.. i guess this blog is working.

• 100 Bjorn Turock // Feb 11, 2008 at 7:48 pm

  Dude Campy Russell is a stud, and Larry Hughes showed up tonight. For real, for real.

• 101 Bjorn Turock // Feb 11, 2008 at 7:50 pm

  Legs underneath him, larry can ball

• 102 Roh-Sa-Mo Sucks! // Feb 18, 2008 at 2:43 am

  Who’s the same level…Larry Hughes?
  DeShawn Stevenson? Ira Newble?

• 103 tailgater // Feb 21, 2008 at 3:31 pm

  Are you gonna change this to hey ben wallace please make a free throw?

• 104 Dr. Poove' // Feb 21, 2008 at 3:55 pm

  Larry Hughes Guy, I can not wait to hear you reaction to the trade. The masses are waiting. We need you to weigh in, stat!

• 105 Jeff // Feb 21, 2008 at 6:41 pm

  Well i have to say this site is amusing.. even though as a Bulls fan its quite worrying

  thing is though.. if theres one person worse than Larry Hughes its…

  you guessed it Big Ben Wallet Enjoy paying 15 million a year for 5 points, 8 rebounds and a block if you’re lucky

  on the plus side you get to wear cool wigs

• 106 Mike // Feb 22, 2008 at 7:09 am

  We already get to wear cool wigs - Varejao style!

  Hopefully playing on a contending team will motivate BW to get a little more active. Hell, just his presence should help against Arenas, Parker, and the like….

  At least now we can watch Wally drain his open shots consistently instead of slamming down the remote every time Donyell and Larry would brick them.

  A vastly better team due to the trade - no.

  Much better PROVEN and PRODUCTIVE role players (with equally sucky contracts) - yes.

  Preparing yourself contractually to be able to sign LBJ long-term in two years - priceless.

• 107 Larry Hughes // Mar 3, 2008 at 11:18 am

  Hey, Thanks for all that motivation the other night I droped 23 points on you sorry Cleveland fans, My problem was the coach, hes terrible. My new team with the bulls understands my style of play and wont allow me to run the point(something Ive never been good at even before the Cavs picked me up) Anyway, now that Im in Chicago and not the pond scum on the country I will do just fine….Thanks Larry

• 108 Bill // Mar 3, 2008 at 2:15 pm

  HEY LARRY…WHO WON?

  GREAT JOB IN THE FOURTH QUARTER MAYBE IF YOU WERE A POINT GUARD YOUR TEAM WOULD HAVE SELF DESTRUCTED COMING DOWN THE STRETCH.

• 109 jozeph // Mar 4, 2008 at 6:51 am

  where did that idiot steven go? Is he now on a Chicago site now telling them not to complain because they should be happy with their team and telling them how they will be in line to win a championship in the next 20 years?

• 110 T MAC // Mar 6, 2008 at 2:57 am

  rockets 16 wining row wooooo

• 111 T MAC // Mar 13, 2008 at 3:08 am

  rockets are now 20-0 oh my diddy

• 112 John // Mar 30, 2008 at 5:43 am

  美国人好牛啊
  顶个
  支持LJ

• 113 BRUCEE888 // Mar 31, 2008 at 6:28 am

  this is the best site about the worst player in the NBA…the guy should think about his life at the moment, re-evaluate the situation he is in now (at the Bulls), retire at the end of this season and come and live in Australia where the guy can just muck around and play in the NBL for any team that needs a shooter and he should average about 40 ppg in the NBL. Not to mention he would be treated like a superstar over in OZ!
  FOOD FOR THOUGHT LARRY????

• 114 KGOWNSALL // May 20, 2008 at 4:48 pm

  Larry Hughes is okay, he just needs to improve his shooting, don’t just balme it all on Larry. What if LBJ’s shooting average dropped like Larry’s would you react the same?

• 115 Bryan // Oct 31, 2008 at 12:37 pm

  Hi:

  I am interested in purchasing one to two simple text links on your website’s homepage for one year. How much would you charge for that?

  Thanks.

  Bryan
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  Internet Marketing Associate
  SportsMemorabilia.com
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• 116 Silent Dogood. // Nov 14, 2008 at 11:25 pm

  Alright, Well yes larry hughes may be one of the worst players IN the NBA, but this didn’t occur till he left the Wizards, and he was alright in some games with the Cav’s, and i have no idea what Chicago was thinkin about when they wanted him, he’s a big named player and he dosen’t live up to it, People like Arena’s, Lebron and all them can stand up for him, but in the end, it dosent benefit his shooting %… However, Good site, keep it up.

• 117 george // Dec 9, 2008 at 7:40 pm

  Just let the guy play, shutup and stop

• 118 Knick Fan // Feb 22, 2009 at 8:56 pm

  i found this site after going to his first game as a knick i don’t know why d’antoni did not put him on the bench for the game this guy sucks and is a bigger waste of talent than michael vick

• 119 go NY // Feb 23, 2009 at 1:02 pm

  All this ranting and raving about Hughes doesn’t bode too well for my hopes of him contributing positively to the Knicks this season.

• 120 Ian Ellis // Jun 8, 2009 at 9:53 am

  YOU ALL ARE DOUCHEBAGS. You just cant take the fact that the best player the cavs will ever get is lebron james. You know that hughes was a good player on the bulls so your just taking your anger out on larry cause he sucked for you. I agree with george. You all need to let him play, do his thing, and you all need to shut up. If he sucks so bad, why is he in the NBA? Are you in the NBA? I think not. Which brings us to our conclusion that he is better than anyone on this site.

• 121 Ian Ellis // Jun 8, 2009 at 9:56 am

  I also agree with T-Mac 10 he didnt do all that bad on the cavs

• 122 Kevin // Jun 16, 2009 at 8:51 am

  Ian… what are you talking about? “You just can’t take the fact that the best player the cavs will ever get is LeBron James”

  ??????

  LeBron James is the best player that ANYONE can get because he will be the best player ever! How would any team be mad that they can’t get better than LeBron? Dude I can’t even like argue because that didn’t even make any sense what you just said.

• 123 Ian Ellis // Aug 19, 2009 at 9:26 pm

  Kevin you should read what i typed over again and if u still cant understand the point im tryin to make then idk what to tell ya

• 124 Ian Ellis // Aug 19, 2009 at 9:28 pm

  and why are we all still talking about him on the cavs? hes on the knicks

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